2 john 1 who is the chosen lady

While it is more likely that the word “elect” is simply used to describe the lady, Clement of Alexandra believed that eklektē was this woman’s name, a name we would translate into English as “Electa.” If so, eklektē kuria in 2 John 1:1 could be translated as “to Lady Electa.” However, the sister mentioned in the last verse of 2 John is also given the description as being “elect.” While it is not improbable that two women, somehow related, would have the same name—in Roman times, sisters could have the same name—it is more likely that the chosen lady and the chosen sister are individuals like Rufus, a man described as “chosen” or “elect” in Romans 16:13. The second letter of John opens with the words: “The older man to the chosen lady and to her children.” (2Jo 1) Thus, in a tactful way, John indicates that he is the writer. When a person receives Holy Eucharistic Communion that person has the blood of Jesus in him/her and there is even a blood relationship with Jesus, not metaphorical but real! 3 Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and his Son, Jesus Christ, will be with us in truth and love. The letter is addressed to the chosen lady and to her children. Paul clearly teaches us in 1 Timothy 5:1-2 that men and women can work together as colleagues in ministry without any hint of impropriety. Thanks Christine. Required fields are marked *. uncritically assumes that the chosen lady and her chosen sister (2 John 13) should be taken as metaphors for churches. John may have been doing the same in his letter. While we do not have a flow chart showing the organizational structure of first century churches (which probably varied somewhat depending on the place and whether the church was predominately Jewish or Gentile), we should probably take “pastor/shepherd” as an umbrella term including both overseers and deacons. It is not unusual for the Scripture to do so (EPHESIANS 5:22f; II CORINTHIANS 11:2; etc.). Jesus did make some servants responsible for their Brothers and Sisters, and we will have to give an account to God of our stewardship! The doctrinal content is so brief that it seems to assume the reader’s familiarity with 1 John. This is an interesting article. 2 John Complete Jewish Bible (CJB). [5] Others, such as James Strong (who collated Strong’s concordance), also believe that Kyria was a proper name. But rather, all authority is invested in God’s Word. [12] The apostle Paul also used the word “children” or “child” in reference to the Christian converts at Corinth and Galatia, and of Onesimus and Timothy, etc (1 Cor. Marg has a BTh from the Australian College of Ministries and an MA in early Christian and Jewish studies from Macquarie University. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. It is unlikely that the recipient of 2 John was a woman named Kyria. 2 John 1 REV and Commentary - The Elder, to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth, and not only I, but - Bible verse Even Gail R. O’Day, commenting on the Johannine letters in The Women’s Bible Commentary. Some people who take the word “children” (tekna) literally believe that this letter was written to a mother with believing children (2 John 1:1, 4 & 13). Lucitis Dexter, in his “Chronicle,” says that this lady’s original proper name was Drusia. Gifts of Stock, Mutual Funds, and Retirement Accounts, CBE International’s Favorite Books of 2020, From My Point of View: Meditation on Luke 7:36-50, How Faith Mission Pioneers Understood Women’s Roles, Sign Up to Get CBE’s Academic Journal Online. CBE Member Lamar Wadsworth is Pastor of the Woolford Memorial Baptist Church, Baltimore, MD. According to Eusebius, John was exiled during the reign of Domitian, so Revelation could have been written in the late 80sAD. 10)  (circa 150 AD). Was she a mother, a house church leader, or a congregation? Her children are the other Christians who believe in God and His Son Jesus..God bless you, Marg. Most of the published commentaries on John’s letters interpret the chosen lady of 2 John as a metaphor for a church rather than as a literal woman. I found the discussion edifying, thought-provoking and enlightening, and truly appreciate all the scholarly effort shared. Nevertheless, some believe kuria may have been the chosen lady’s name. A church would have to be called either “chosen lady” or “children” not both. It is unlikely that the chosen lady was simply a mother. Moreover by reading other ancient Greek papyri, I have come to the conclusion that Kuria was indeed a lady, as there are many papyrus letters addressed to other Kuriai. I have the feeling that the chosen lady is somewhere in Asia. To the lady chosen by God and to her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth—because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:. Perhaps, she and her family had been part of John's spiritual family. Some also argue that the use of “chosen lady” instead of a personal name may just as well indicate John’s concern for the safety of an individual as his concern for the safety of a church. 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. The evidence strongly indicated she was at least a diakonos, a deacon like Phoebe in Romans 16—one who gave pastoral leadership to a house church, if not an episcopos, an overseer—one who had the oversight of a number of house churches. I personally believe the lady and sister may have been real female leaders or they may have been metaphors for two churchs. Why would the term be used differently in 2 John? [14] It is true that God’s people in the Old Testament and the Church in the New Testament are often referred to in feminine terms. 2 John Images and Notes. This Gnostic work, which attempts to “honor” Mary’s virginity to the end, records that Jesus was NOT born in Bethlehem, and that he was NOT born in the normal way, but just appeared. She is a possibility for the Chosen Lady, and benefit can be gained from reading the letter from her perspective. I think we can only know who this “chosen lady” is during the second coming of Christ. In the contrary, most modern scholars believe the lady to be a church addressed by John around 90AD from Ephesus. However, the most reasonable conclusion from the limited data in 2 John is that she was a prominent leader in the Christian church. I will come back to read more later. 1 The older man* to the chosen lady and to her children, whom I truly love, and not only I but also all those who have come to know the truth, 2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever. 2:20-24), as was the church in Ephesus (1 Tim. This is in accord with II John 1, 13. The Greek word for “congregation” or “church,” ekklēsia, is grammatically feminine. 2 John 1:1 Context. I see at least seven reasons supporting the position that the “chosen lady” should be understood as a designation for an actual woman who was a leader in the church, rather than as a metaphor for the church. The views presented by one influential commentator are often unquestioningly adopted by succeeding commentaries. [14] John uses the word “church” (ekklēsia) three times in his third letter: in 3 John 1:6, 9, 10. 9-11 of 2 John. Ultimately, in the New Testament, “the Lord” functions as the equivalent of the Hebrew word Adoniah, as a designation for Jesus Christ. In the New Testament, the word translated “pastor” is poimen. Luke mentions them in Acts 21:4, not because it was remarkable for a young single woman to be a preacher, but because it was remarkable for there to be four of them in one family. I state it explicitly. Second John. They are on my growing list of people to look up when I get to heaven! If you are not paying close attention, you might miss a surprising detail at the very start of the letter, the address from the author to the recipient of the letter. Here in this little letter is all the Bible tells us about the chosen lady: John had the highest regard for her as a colleague in ministry. Similarly with various references to people in the New Testament: In Acts 16, we read of the jailer at Philippi who was converted. Who is the lady? 1 I, the elder, to you, a lady chosen by God along with her children. While the word only occurs in 2 John 1:1 & 5 in the New Testament, kuria occurs several times in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament.) Marg, thanks so much for the reply. It makes no sense for John to have written this letter to a church that had already read 1 John. We do not know, but we may be sure that she struggled to balance public ministry with many other responsibilities, just as female and male ministers do today. Those century-old letters from the attic might also mention “your dear cousin,” “the pastor,” “our neighbors across the road,” or some other designation instead of a name. The identity of the “children” in 1 John and 3 John is obvious. [9] What these people have failed to take into account is that, in each of his three letters, John frequently used the word “children” (tekna and teknia) as a term to refer to Christians, to “spiritual children.”[10], In 3 John 1:4, John writes to a man called Gaius[11] saying, “I have no greater joy than this: to hear that my children are walking in the truth.”[12] Compare this with what John writes to the chosen lady in 2 John 1:4: “I rejoiced greatly having found out from [some of] your children that they are walking in the truth.”. John tells the chosen lady and her children to judge between true and false doctrine and to exclude those who try to bring in false teaching. The Lady and Her Children; Read 2 John 1:1-2. In the same way we do not know which Gaius was being addressed in John’s 3rd letter. Looking forward to hearing more from you. The basic meaning of the word is “authority” or “master.” It is very unlikely that kuria (feminine form) is a proper name. 3 Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love. In particular, who the “chosen lady” was? In his explanatory notes on John’s second letter,[6] Wesley claims that “Kyria is undoubtedly a proper name, both here [in 2 John 1:1] and in 2 John 1:5; for it was not then usual to apply the title of lady to any but the Roman empress.” BDAG, however, claims that it was rare for kuria to be used as a proper name and that its rare use as a proper name was late; (i.e. READ verse 1. I truly love all of you and am confident that all who know the truth share in my love for you. As such, our submission to Jesus as Lord is only as complete and sincere as our submission to God’s Word. Even if it wasn’t to her, but someone else. Loading... Unsubscribe from New Jerusalem? I really appreciate your analytical approach to the questionable religious traditions about women’s roles in the Body of Christ. Old Testament Priests and New Testament Ministers For the first couple of hundred years following the day of Pentecost, most Christian churches were house churches. As in his Gospel and other letters, John emphasises the themes of truth (verses 1-4) and love (verses 5-6).[1]. Are not the whole womenhood honored through the one woman, who untied the curse upon the whole creation through her wonderful obedience? It seems more reasonable to think that the term “chosen lady” served to identify this woman as well as her actual name, in the same way that a Cyprian Levite name Joseph became better known to the apostles and to us as Barnabas (“Son of Encouragement”, Acts 4:36). Farewell greeting (verses 12-13). 2 John 1:1 - CJB - From: The Elder To: The chosen lady and her children,... Study verse in the The Complete Jewish Bible One thing did bother me in your writing however. She was a gracious and loving person. I have never encountered something like this in the many years of peeling potatoes xi. I will also forward your blog to my daughter who also serves the Lord in South Africa. 1. Purpose of 2 John: John warns about an early form of the heresy called "Gnosticism." [10] In his first letter, John used the word “children” (tekna and teknia) numerous times  (e.g., 1 John 2:1, 28; 3:1-2, 7, 10, 18; 4:4; 5:2, 21). The chosen lady, like Lydia in Acts 16, probably worked hard in some cottage industry. “Truth,” as the term is used in the Johannine letters, is another name for Jesus and/or the Holy Spirit. Εklektē means “chosen” or “elect.” This woman addressed in 2 John was a Christian chosen by God, as all Christians are. “ye/you”). Jude, the shortest letter that was clearly written to a church, is twice the length of 2 or 3 John. The second letter of John opens with the words: “The older man to the chosen lady and to her children.” (2Jo 1) Thus, in a tactful way, John indicates that he is the writer. That is all we know about her, but that is enough to uphold her as a worthy model for a church leader and as a biblical example of a Christian woman who engaged in public ministry that included teaching and preaching the word of God. We should not presume that any of us is beyond the need for encouragement or exhortation. He says that those who teach this heresy are "deceivers." 10 If there come any unto you (pl), and bring not this doctrine, receive (pl) him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: Outline of 2 John. .”. I am writing to the chosen lady and to her children, whom I love in the truth--as does everyone else who knows the truth--" 2 John 1:1, CSB: "The elder: To the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth--and not only I, … 3 Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love. Philip’s daughters (Acts 21:9), Phoebe (Rom. 2 John is addressed to "the lady chosen by God" [1]The elder, To the lady chosen by God and to her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth— [2] because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever: 2 John Complete Jewish Bible (CJB). I don’t think that John would write a letter to a housemate. A congregation is a church. 30:23; Isa. 2 We love you because of the truth that lives in us and will be with us forever. She and her son were well-known to the church in Rome, but they are obscure figures for us. Lamar Wadsworth. And I can’t see that remaining a virgin adds anything to Mary’s wonderful vocation or reputation as the mother of Jesus Christ, or that it was beneficial for a married woman. 24:2). The well executed Hebrew Parallelism is to be noted here. Priscilla Papers 10:3, Summer 1996. I want to take issue with just a few points you raise. What’s your comment on that? The simplest and most straightforward explanation of who the “chosen lady” in 2 John 1:1 & 5 was, is that she was a host and leader of Christian house church whom John addressed directly at times in his second letter. Have we not all received and written personal letters that were addressed primarily to one member of the household but meant to be shared with the whole family? This lady is someone John enjoyed being around. Nothing in 1 Peter compels us to take the woman who is “in Babylon” as anything other than a real woman. We have no known example in the New Testament or in early Christian literature of the term kuria being used in a clearly metaphorical sense. In my time as a student at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky, Dr. Dale Moody often exhorted us to “Remember that the Bible often sheds considerable light on the commentaries!” Yet all too often commentators follow the interpretations of previous commentators, like sheep following the sheep in front of them right over a cliff. 2 John 1 The elder, To the lady chosen by God and to her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth— because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever: Read verse in New International Version 4:19; Philem. In the Shepherd of Hermas, an elderly woman speaks to Hermas in visions. But a congregation is never referred to as a “lady” or a “sister,” or anything even remotely similar, in the New Testament. The respectful tide kuria indicates, at the very least, the high regard accorded her by John and the Christian community This usage in 2 John may suggest that the title kuria was used the same way the term “Mother” is used in African-American churches today, as a tide of respect for a godly older woman whose good influence extends far beyond her immediate family. Galatians 4:26 teaches that God’s Church is the spiritual mother of Christians—her “children.” Notice II John 13: “The In addition, a third- or fourth-century inscription on the Greek island of Thera marks the grave of another woman, Epictus Presbutis, the elder Epictus.6. Who then the elect sister of v. 13 is? 2 John New Century Version (NCV). 2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us for ever. 1 The elder, To the lady chosen by God and to her children, whom I love in the truth —and not I only, but also all who know the truth — 2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:. [5] John Wesley (who did not have access to many of the ancient Greek documents that are now available, such as the ones mentioned above) also believed that Kyria was the woman’s name. Thank you to all who contributed. It is also unlikely that she symbolised a church. 2 John 1:6 - And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. While it is more likely that the word “elect” is simply used to describe the lady, Clement of Alexandra believed that eklektē was this woman’s name, a name we would translate into English as “Electa.” If so, eklektēkuria in 2 John 1:1 could be translated as “to Lady Electa.” However, the sister mentioned in th… 20:8; 21:40; Mark 12:9; Luke 20:13, 15). 2 John 1:1 ABP_Strongs (i) 1 G3588 The G4245 elder, G1588 to the chosen G2959 lady, G2532 and G3588 to G5043 her children, G1473 G3739 whom G1473 I G25 love G1722 in G225 truth, G2532 and G3756 not G1473 I G3441 alone, G235 but G2532 also G3956 all … 2 John 1:1 The elder to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not only I, but also all who know the truth, Sunday is called kyriakē in Greece, which is an adjective meaning “the Lord’s” as in “the Lord’s Day”. The Gospel of John was written around 100AD, and John’s letters a few years earlier. Furthermore, I’ve come across the word in several Jewish and early Christian non-biblical Greek texts. 1:14;); and the man who was the recipient of 3 John. It is used of Sarah as the mistress of Hagar the slave girl (Gen. 16:4, 8, 9); it is used of the widow of Zarephath who was mistress of her own household (1 Kings 17:17); it is used of Naaman’s wife (2 Kings 5:3); it is used metaphorically of God as mistress (Psalm 123:2); and it occurs in sayings that figuratively contrast a mistress with her slave girl (Prov. In fact, it is surprising that Jesus didn’t consign her to one of her other four sons. Paul’s Masculine and Feminine Leadership. John is the "Elder." Did you receive a message? Why would John write this letter to a church? ad Ageruchiam) believed that the word “lady” (kuria) was used symbolically for a church (i.e. In my opinion, this chosen lady might be the bride of Christ during the second coming. The chosen lady in 2 John was such a woman. Still another speculation is that the woman was indeed a church leader but that her congregation consisted only of women. The Elder and the Lady: A look at the language of Second John, The First Century Church and the Ministry of Women, Euodia and Syntyche: Women Church Leaders at Philippi, Old Testament Priests and New Testament Ministers, Junias and Junia in Early Commentaries of Romans 16:7, The Consensus and Context of 1 Timothy 2:12, 1 Timothy 2:12 in Context: The Heresy in the Ephesian Church, https://margmowczko.com/equality-and-gender-issues/kuria-lady-in-papyrus-letters/, https://margmowczko.com/authority-in-the-church/. The Babylonian empire was long gone by the time 1 Peter was written. Clearly, all believers love this “chosen lady,” John cannot be writing to his girlfriend (!). However, it is a great leap of logic to say that we must take the woman to be a metaphor. Other examples abound in early Christian writings. 2 We love you because of the truth that lives in us and will be with us forever. To me, the most likely prima facie suggestion (which, however, is not even discussed among most commentators) would be that the recipient of this intimate letter is the most “elect” of all women, the very one that Jesus Himself entrusted to John’s personal care: Mary, the mother of Jesus! 1 From the Elder. This is supported by 1 Timothy 3:13, which implies that overseers were chosen from among those who had served well as deacons. 2 John New International Version (NIV). [1] Some Bible scholars believe that 2 John was written by a well-known elder named John (mentioned by Papias and others), and was not written by John the apostle. Furthermore, if her church was comprised of virgins, as Clement claims, it is important to note that the congregation was not just of virgin women, as we will see below. 1:1 The elder to the elect (chosen) lady and her children… (I believe the elect lady is those leaders of the Jewish or Gentile church, and in verse 13 ‘the elect (chosen) sister’ being how the two churches may have referred to one another, the children being the members of the churches that are being led into the truth. (The NASB translates chosen/elect as “choice” in Rom. In the context of 2 John, the word probably denotes a woman who was in a place of authority or leadership. There is little doubt that the Apostle John was the author, but there are a number of conjectures as to whom it was written: someone called "the Elect Lady." The view of church recipience is not, as you state, advanced by those hostile to female church leadership. John described the chosen lady as one who was known and loved by all who know the truth. The words used for “joined,” both in Genesis and Ephesians, mean “to cleave,” as through the physical union of consummation. 3 Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be … [8] Mary the mother of Jesus and John the Apostle may have spent their last years at Ephesus. .” This does not sound at all as though John were addressing a congregation. Greetings to the elect lady (verses 1-3). Most movies about Jesus have middle-aged actors playing the disciples, but the real disciples were probably in their late teens and early twenties during Jesus’ earthly ministry. Does this suggest the "chosen lady" and her "chosen sister" are churches? 6. They had a duty to learn, but somebody had to teach them. (See footnote 4.) Thank you for your research. She was probably a parent. He was also older in the sense of Christian growth and was a ‘pillar’ of the congregation.—Ga 2:9. Of course, it does, I believe! In other words, St. Mary has a two-fold significance: Just as a frail human, who badly needs salvation that her Son effects and as a metaphysical symbol that parallels with the Holy Church as a whole! Jesus was raised among a family of at least seven: five brothers and two sisters.8 James and Jude became believers after the resurrection and, in fact, each wrote the books in the New Testament that bear their names. It is improbable that the two women are one and the same, however. Second John. In 1826, the English Methodist commentator Adam Clarke wrote, “I am satisfied that no metaphor is here intended; that the epistle was sent to some eminent Christian matron, not far from Ephesus, who was probably a deaconess of the church, who, it is likely had a church at her house, or at whose house the apostles and traveling evangelists preached, and were entertained.”9 Clarke was right as far as he went—I would only add that the chosen lady’s ministry probably went beyond being a gracious hostess, although it surely included that. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. I wanted to comment that I have some relative’s with the last name, Kyriazakos. I’ve even emboldened the singular and underlined the plural pronouns and verbs to highlight the switches from singular to plural. 16:3-5, etc), possibly Chloe (1 Cor. 5:29ff; Rev. That includes faithfulness in marriage and family responsibilities. In the New Testament, a church is a congregation. He loved her in the same way and for the same reason he loved Gaius. Prudentiana and Praexedis in Rome honors four women, one of whom is identified as Theodora Episcopa—Episcopa is the feminine form of episkopos, the word translated “bishop” or “overseer.” Although the hands of ancient misogynists tried to scratch out the feminine endings on “Theodora” and “Episcopa,” the old inscription remains a legible witness to one who was both a woman and a bishop. Some of Philip’s daughters went to live in Asia Minor, and it is commonly believed that the “chosen lady” was in Asia Minor. This woman represents the church and Hermas calls her kuria when speaking to her. She argues that it is inconsistent with John’s use of terminology for both terms to refer to a church.8 John would not have used competing metaphors in a letter that is only half a page long! Let us say, apples are apples and oranges are oranges, although both have spherical shapes! I stumbled upon your blog today while doing some research on 1 John 5. 3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. I would think that the shape of a cross is common in nature and not necessarily a divine sign. Before the Industrial Revolution, nearly all industry was cottage industry and nearly all women’s work included much more than caring for children and keeping house. He may well have been alive when Acts was written. 2 John 1:1-13 NASB1995 The elder to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not only I, but also all who know the truth, for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever: Grace, mercy and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of … 1 The elder, To the lady chosen by God and to her children, whom I love in the truth —and not I only, but also all who know the truth — 2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:. I would also like to go with Michael that the chosen lady here would most and very much possibly be Our Lady the Virgin. There are possibly four men named Gaius in the New Testament: a Macedonian who was Paul’s travelling companion and was seized at Ephesus (Acts 19:29); a man of Derbe who accompanied Paul from Corinth to Jerusalem (Acts 20:4); a Corinthian who was baptised by Paul (Rom. [16] It is important to note that many grammatically masculine participles and other words used in the New Testament apply equally to men and women believers. She is the chosen lady. Paul uses it in that sense in Ephesians 6. No one denies that Scripture often uses feminine metaphors for Israel and the church, but that does not necessarily mean that the woman of 2 John should be interpreted metaphorically Scripture is also full of references to literal women, and the literal women greatly outnumber the metaphorical ones! We know so little of her subsequent history from the Scriptures; there are only minimal allusions in the Book of Acts (Acts 1:14). Thanks. A tendency toward pride could certainly have been her most serious challenge: the most blessed of all women who had ever walked the earth! . Kuria “Lady” in Papyrus Letters In 1 Peter 5:13, Peter writes, “She who is in Babylon, chosen together (or  co-elect) with you sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.” As mentioned in the article, Clement of Alexandria believed that “she” in Babylon was the same person as the chosen lady in 2 John. In the 1859 edition of the Haydock Catholic commentary on 2 John 1:1 it says:To the lady Elect. I appreciate it. [To the chosen lady [] and her children:. Romans 16:7, the only place they are mentioned, is the kind of reference that makes us wish we knew more. As you know, most congregations met in homes in the early days of Christianity. The church’s responsibility to exclude false teachers was primarily her personal responsibility. John enjoyed a collegial relationship with both Gaius and the chosen lady, based upon a shared commitment to Jesus Christ and the truth that is in him. According to this work of fables, the Jesus it talks about is NOT the Messiah. Martha was a woman of tremendous faith and spiritual insight (John 11:22, 24, 27). We have to keep this in mind. I don’t think we can say with any certainty who the chosen lady or the chosen sister were. Israel is portrayed as a woman— the sometimes unfaithful wife of Yahweh. 2 John Chapters « Prev; 1; Next » 1 From the Elder: my greetings to the Lady, the chosen one, and to her children, whom I love in truth-- and I am not the only one, for so do all who have come to know the Truth-- and I am not the only one, for so so do all who have come to know the Truth-. He was indeed an “older man,” being, by this time, about 90 or 100 years of age. New Testament Women Church Leaders If the Messiah’s line was corrupted, then Jesus was not the Messiah; man would still be in his sins. As appealing as this idea may be, there is no evidence in this letter, or from early Christian writings, that “the chosen lady” was Martha. One more question remains. 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